In this episode of SecurPod, Ralph C. Jensen enjoys a conversation with Vikram Phatak, the founder and CEO of CyberRatings.org. The conversation starts with the topic of ChatGPT and its pros and cons in the cyber world. We also talk about testing of the latest cybersecurity technology — the asymmetry, or market distortion — because there is not enough transparency into how security products work. Testing provides ratings and test scores on security product effectiveness, performance and management and reporting capabilities. The CyberRatings.org team has unique security product testing expertise with a combined proficiency spanning more than three decades. Its executives have fostered well-established relationships with most large and small security vendors and have built an earned trust with vendors and enterprises.